I didn’t say you where attacking, because of what I said. In fact, I was pretty sure you always attack the Church. You said I was attacking Protestants and I asked you, how come? I don’t think I am, you on the other hand are attacking Catholics, like you just said. And I’m the one playing semantics?
And of course, if anyone challenges your world view, they must be a troll or even worst. That is a good posture, that will for sure lead you to the truth. You’ve heard of “defense mechanisms” and “selective perception” in psychology?
This is just like the woke people, and you can’t dialog with them. If you think that there are boys and girls - you’re a phobic this. If you think abortions are wrong - You’re a phobic that. - There is no way of having a dialog with them. They ignore all the facts you bring, they don’t use logic, they cherry pick and distort everything to fit their world views and just say - “you’re a troll”. Bam, case closed.
Maybe and it’s just an idea, but maybe, instead of insulting me, (purely based on your assumptions) and ignoring everything I’ve said, You could bring something to the table. Why am I wrong for example, instead of “you’re a troll”.
Another thing the woke do, is the highjacking of words. Words have meanings. If you want to write an article where you explain why you think “Catholics are not even Christians” go ahead. But words have meaning and when you’re dialoging with someone, we must use the words with the meaning they have. It’s a minimum (Or if not, just realise that you’re at the same level of perception than the woke)
Christians, mean followers of Christ and what you said, yes. And as such, they are Catholic, Orthodox and Protestants. This is the level we’re at here, we must even address the meaning of words. And you acuse me, of playing semantics… I mean…
Pagan does not mean anti-christian at all. I knew you where still hanging on to that. Pure atheists are not pagan. Pagan means a religious believe, usually polytheistic (Akhenaton made a monotheistic pagan religion), outside of Jewish, Christian and Muslim believes. This is truly unbelievable. If you want to make a video saying what you think Pagan should mean, ok. But to come to a conversation and not be able to even stick to the meanings of words, it’s unbelievable. Talking about semantics hein… ( Before Christianity, short of the hebrews, the entire world was pagan. Before Christ was born, people where pagan. Just next level)
You’re encouraging me to look at things? I repeatadly asked you to provide some sources and references. I asked for the: Who, when, how, why and where?
Instead I got, a repeating of the narrative we all know about, in a complete subjective way. Everything, is cherry picked or distorted to fit your view. And like I told you many times (that was ignored, like most of what I’ve said) Not only I know the narrative, but I used to believe it and studied it.
I told you what I am. I’m not a Catholic. Even this simple fact is hard to grasp it seems. Because things need to fit your world view.
I didn’t say “weirdos created some cults” I simply stated some facts about Luther and Calvin. This is very well documented. Like I said, they where proud of the things I’ve said.
And I pointed out, that everyone “knows” about the “evil Catholic Church” From hollywood to the education system, everyone “knows” that. Yet, the simple facts about Luther, no one has even heard about it.
Another fact is that in the last 500 years, we got more than 30K denominations. They all teach different things… But they all agree that the one church who gave them the Bible is “wrong” - Just like the muslims must say the Bible and Christians are wrong
I didn’t mentioned cults (just “cult like behaviour” once) But personally, some denominations could be consider a cult. And note, I’m not giving my own definition of the word “cult” because words have a meaning.
Some denominations could be considered cults (according to what the word means) They encourage to only associate with fellow members. They encourage (sometimes demand) that you only read their books and listen to their leaders. They think, only them have the truth. They all imply that the word of Jesus was lost for 1700 years and now they are the ones who have rescued the true meaning. Some have predicted the end of the world several times already. They all cherry pick and interpret the Bible as they see fit. They say “those people are bad” but don’t want you to study what “those people say” Sometimes they have their own bible and/ or another book like “the lost bible.” Many times they have their own version of history based on something that the founder of the church wrote. Some have inner circles and “secret temples”. If you leave them, you will be excumungated from society, parents are not meant to keep talking to their children… Some, ignore history and re write as they see fit.
I’m not going to call them cults, but some could fit the definition. Plus, if you have 30K, some are destinaed to be a bit of. But not only am I saying they are cults or not Christian, I'm not saying anyhthing about teh people in such churches.
Like ie: Personally I think the mormons for example have somewhat bizarre believes. They call themselves Christian, so I’m going to call them as well. (From what I hear they are doing good things in their communities, as far as the metrical world goes. That’s better than nothing)
And yeah, don’t trust me! Look it up for yourself. That’s been my all point.
But, why do I think that? Is it based on some anti mormon, books, movies and speakers? Do I need to give words another meaning, to think that? Do I need to cave to my selective perception? Do I need to alter history as I see fit? Do I say that, without even knowing what they believe?
No. I say that, because I’ve looked into it, from their side.
I always start with, who founded it? J. Smith (Not sure about his name now). Is there any contradicting views on this? - No. The mormons all agree it was him. There are no records of Lds at all, before Smith.
Who was he and what did he do? Well, there is a lot to be said about him as well.
How did he get his so called revelation? Again, very bizarre, but according to his own writing and the Lds believes it was, what it was. Note, I’m acatuly seeing what THEY say. What THEY believe.
Let’s look at history. Not cherry picking, having the most unbiased look at the time and place, when Smith “translated the book”
They believe the Father was a human being (alien) and that we can all become like Him. As bizarre as this can seem. I’m actually taking this from the book of mormon, and from mormon interviews and so on. It’s not some anti mormon speaker. That was my point, if I say it’s a bit bizarre believe, (not to mention the secret hand shakes and the masonic underwear, and the dead basptims and all of it) it’s because, I’m using their unanimous believes and historic evidence and their own book.
Then, the history of the Hebrews in America and what not… they truly cherry pick and distort things to fit their views. Some say it could had been here and there, it could be “historic correct”.
First be clear on what they actually believe with their sources. And then match it with “secular” sources.
And if you take moment and really try to prove it, with an open mind and not cherry picking and being serious about it. You will easily find, that there is no basis at all for what he said. And it would be easy to prove if it had happened (since it was supposed to be after the flood) - Even simple things as horses in the Americas…
Again, my point is: I’m not insulting them and saying they are trolls, just because. I’m not saying “if you do X, then you are a pagan” I’m not ignoring history and using only anti lds books. Much less, the one book that “my denomination has” and it’s THE real one (like they do) that simply says they are “the bad ones” while promoting lies about them.
I’m saying this, after I took the time to study them. I’m using their book, their believes has they all stated it. Induspusted mormon theology. And I’m using undisputed history to confirm or deny what they say.
Again, don’t trust me. Just look it up, with an opened and serious mind. I don’t care at all, to show that I’m right. I’m not trying to scam you so that you come work in a farm and follow my interpretation of the scriptures. And not trying to be anti anything.
I’m only writing all of this just to bring to light some facts to a fellow Christian, that he might have not been aware of it. And it’s clear you’re getting your Catholic information from Anti Catholic sources and “the narrative”
I’ve been there. I know the propaganda you’re repeating. It’s propaganda, you won’t find any secular sources, confirming any of it.
Jesus didn’t say that in 1500 years, there would be 30K churches and in there, one would be the correct church.
Jesus didn’t say, I’m going right now, and all of you are going to be killed for following me for 350 years, and then it will be for nothing because my message is going to be lost and a false church will show up, and no one will know anything for 1200 years…
In fact he said, his Church would always be here until the end of times. The gates of hell will not prevail against it.
Here is the big question. What if, hypotetlic speaking, what if. Jesus left a Church and it’s still here, like he said. Would you be humble enought to look at it, with it’s due respect and objective view? Would you like to know if it was? Or would you rather stay within the comforts of what you’ve been told?
That’s my only motivation here. To be true to Jesus.
Ok man, I gave a bunch of points with the sources and where to look for more.
I’ve prayed for you, due to how you spoke of Jesus’s Mother and that you let go of your blind hate towards the Church.
If you still 100% convinced about all the fabricated claims about the Church. There isn’t much to say…
Challenging what you’re told is not for everyone. Noticing one’s defense mechanisms is not for everyone. Noticing and fighting ones selective perception is no for everyone. Being able to change ones views and maybe facing social pressures, is not for everyone.
I did what I could, just to open curiosity for further investigation. As such, my work is done.
In case you want to look up yourself. Another battle is the Constantine one. How he ended up being Emperor. Look into those first centuries, the archeology we have in the mediterranean and the writings. Look into Constantine and the Nicea consul. Really look into it. Don’t trust me. Read the old historians, see the evidence, like it was a court of law.
OK, God bless.
Have a great year.
I’ll end with one last recommendation. From a Baptist:
And yeah, if you see t. Don’t trust them either. Look it up yourself.
Take care.
And please consider not calling people names, like troll or pagan, based solely on your view points. And much, using such a behaviour instead of adding anything to the conversation, like some legit sources or so.
RE: Is Christmas a pagan celebration? (Part 4)