Ju boogie:
Look at the inscriptions of shalmanesser. Bit khumri, the cimmerians. Saka sunai. Scythians. A branch of the scythians were Israelites who went to Europe. Forget hooked noses. Even the french have hooked noses. I'm not claiming nordic race only. There are more European whites than nordic peoples. Im not claiming blue eyes blonde hair is required lol I have brown eyes and brown hair. The Mediterranean peoples are still white. If you follow migrations, history, and the bible you will see they went to Europe. I mean dude even you believe in the Israelite heritage of modern "jews" and THEY STILL CAME FROM EUROPE. How do you know those "jews" who came to Israel in 1948 are biblical Israelites. Forget interpreted prophecy that you think means the Jews are getting a nation back again and that that was fulfilled in 1948. Im talking genetic markers. Their fruit. Their belief. They are the most wicked people on the planet if you can even call them that. The difference between us is you believe the white Christ haters who claimed they were jews who come from Europe are the Israelites. I'm claiming the whites who didn't know they were Israelites who accepted Christ because THEY have it written on their heart, are the Israelites. You believe the synagogue of satan are the biblical Israelites. I believe what you would call "gentiles" are the biblical Israelites. We shall know them by their fruit. And modern "jews" fruit is rotten.
Greywarden100 > There are a few things that aren't historically accurate from what you are saying. Jews did not come from Europe as throughout history the Europeans have wanted them out of their respective countries. They were not from there. They instead were dispersed there by Titus and Hadrian.
None of the Cultures today claiming Jewish identity and saying the Jews that are in Israel are fake Jews have traditions, history, culture, Oral Torah interpretations nor teachers. It is all of a sudden that they are claming a culture and history they form no part of, and claiming that history and culture was stolen from them. None of this is true nor biblical. The Nations have never wanted anything to do with Judaism and they still don't. They are quick to culture thieving yes, such as the Fake Black Israelites that say Blacks are the real Jews and that all Whites are Edomites taken from a decontexualized text in Obediah of which was fulfilled during the Hasmonean dynasty and has nothing to do with America and Whites.
About the Jews in Israel being the most wicked people on the planet. Remember that the reason Israel was conquered by the Assyrians was not because the Nation of Israel was good, but because they were exceedingly wicked. More context on Yehu shows that he paved the way for the destruction of the kingdom of Israel striking deals and bowing before the Assyrian King. If you think Israelites were naturally good people because of their pedigree you are seriously mistaken. The Israelites and Judeans ended up in Capitivity because they were exceedingly evil. God sent them prophets and they persecuted them and murdered them.. These were not good people even though they were of the natural olive tree. Because most of the Judeans now in Israel again are evil does not mean that they are not genetically the same exact King Yehu's, the Ahab's or the Zedekiah's.
And lastly about the Synagogue of Satan in Revelation 2:9 and 3:9.
The Synagogue of Satan consisted of literal real ethnic Jews. They are not being called fake because of their pedigree but because they persecuted Jews that believed in Christ and had them imprisoned by the Roman authorities in Smyrna, much of the same happened in Philadelphia. This is what the historical context of what these people did proved, not that they were not ethnic Jews.
The interpretation of what it was to be a Jew was not one of ethnicity alone my friend. According to the history itself we see of what it is to be a fake Jew, and that was to claim Heritage but behave like devils. There is zero merit in your ethnicity if there aren't any fruits.
Rav Shaul proves this below.
Romans 2: 28 A person is not a Jew who is one only outwardly, nor is circumcision merely outward and physical.
29 No, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly; and circumcision is circumcision of the heart, by the Spirit, not by the written code. Such a person’s praise is not from other people, but from God.
You were not considered a Jew in those days by the believers in Messiah if you were only an ethnic Jew. To the believers in Messiah there was no merit in being born a certain way or looking a certain way. There was only merit in inward holiness not outward and physical things.
Ju Boogie:
Yeah the old testament Israelites were wicked. But were to be given a new heart and the law written on it. Which for some reason these modern "jews" didn't get the memo. The biblical Israelites who were in captivity in Babylon and Assyria are not the people who are in Israel today. And of course the Christians wanted the talmudic Christ deniers out of there countries. I do too. They are a wicked specimen and they are not actual Israelites. If you are an actual ethnic Israelite you should NOT be supporting fake jews because they aren't even of the same tribes as you(if you are ethnically an Israelite) and hate Christ. So if you are an Israelite and believe in Christ, those talmudic Christ deniers are not the same flesh as you. They simply are "jews" by religion and follow the talmud. I mean please enlighten me as to the evidence that these modern "jews" are biblical Israelites. And I will throw the question back at you that I asked finding. To you are the modern "jews" just the tribe of Judah or the remnant of all 12 tribes?
Greywarden100 > As far as i know the aspect where everyone will have no need to teach anyone, because everyone will have the Torah written in their hearts has not happened. In fact, very few have the Torah written in their hearts. What i see a lot of is false preachers selling out their congregations for personal interest, Socialist Propagandist promising a Socialist Paradise for Social Groups Ect. I don't see everyone having the Torah written in their hearts and not having to teach anyone. That clearly has not happened yet.
Jeremiah 31: 33 “This is the covenant I will make with the people of Israel after that time,” declares the Lord." I will put my law in their minds and write it on their hearts. I will be their God, and they will be my people.
34 No longer will they teach their neighbor, or say to one another, ‘Know the Lord,’ because they will all know me, from the least of them to the greatest,” declares the Lord. “For I will forgive their wickedness and will remember their sins no more.”
To your tribe question. The modern Judeans of Israel are of the ancient tribe's of Yehuda, Levi, Binyamin, Dan and Bnei Manashe. Those are the literal tribes in the land right now. All of the tribes have not been found yet.
There is the testimony of a 9th century traveler Eldad Ha-Dani that located the Tribe of Dan in Ethiopia, and thus the Ethiopian Jews were received in Israel. Has it been heaven for the tribes that have been found and done Aliyah to the biblical land? Of course not, thanks to the evil Zionist Socialist State that has done a lot of damage.
And yes, i do not doubt that there may be lost tribes in Europe currently as well.. They haven't been found nor proven that they descend from any of the Israelite tribes yet. They will eventually appear for that is what the Prophet Isaiah says and will be put back in their land with the rest of the tribes of Israel.
You need to look at Geneticist Harry Ostrer's 20 year study of the Jewish DNA along with many Scientists and Geneticists that worked with him.
In his 20 year studies, he proved when comparing Ashkenazi Jews to that of Jews in Africa, that there were higher matches between the African Jews and European Jews than when testing randmon Germans in the street of their country.
He in fact tested Jews from everywhere they were dispersed historically and found high matches everywhere they were. He found that the Jewish Ethnicity was very pure compared to other racial groups.
But, why was this? History deciphers this. The Jews had a tradition when they were dispersed by the Romans and other cultures prior. The tradition was that the male is responsible for the seed, and the child was Jewish/Israelite as long as the father was Jewish/Israelite. So, where ever they were dispersed they married women of a different ethnic group for three generations. After three generations they built communities in the countries they abided in and ended intermarriages. This explains the super high matches in their DNA when compared to other racial groups.
It gets even more interesting. It was discovered that the Lemba Tribe of Africa Descend from Biblical Levites. When these proven African Levites were tested against Ashkenazi and Sphardics that are Levites there was a whopping close to 80% match. Mind you, if you look at the Lembas and the Ashkenazi Jews there really is no physical resemblance there. The Lembas are charcoal black and the Ashkenazis are for the most part pretty white.
That being said, there is proof that the people in that land are the real Ethnic Judeans of Old and not imposters. That many of them are wicked has nothing at all to do with their pedigree no different than the Ancient Israelites and Judeans were very wicked and that had nothing to do with their pedigree. It is why the curses of Deuteronomy fell upon the Judeans and Israelites to the point where they ended up out of their land and many of their tribes lost till this day. This didn't happen because they were good people.
They even killed and ate the fruit of their womb after being afflicted by their enemies just as Deuteronomy chapter 28 said would happen if they chose the curses by doing evil and not obeying the Torah.
2 Kings 6: 28 Then he asked her, “What’s the matter?”
She answered, “This woman said to me, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him today, and tomorrow we’ll eat my son.’
29 So we cooked my son and ate him. The next day I said to her, ‘Give up your son so we may eat him,’ but she had hidden him.”
30 When the king heard the woman’s words, he tore his robes. As he went along the wall, the people looked, and they saw that, under his robes, he had sackcloth on his body.
Deuteronomy 28: 53 Because of the suffering your enemy will inflict on you during the siege, you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the LORD your God has given you.
That being said, your argument that pedigree is what makes the modern Israelis wicked is weak. The biblical Israelites and Judeans were extremely wicked to the point that you couldn't imagine and they were ethnically Judeans and Israelites. Similarly today! This is precisely the reason why many good rabbis in Israel want the more than 80% evil secular Jews out of Israel. The reason is because they know that the curses of Deuteronomy will come upon them and there is no way they want a repeat of that. The Evil Socialist Zionists are opening the doors for the curses of Deuteronomy to creep in. The only reason why the curses haven't over taken the people is because there are lots of righteous people still left in the land..