**Is up-voting your own post a good or a bad idea?** In this post I will examine two extreme cases; Minnows and Whales, Dolphins will be somewhere in between. ![](https://steemitimages.com/600x600/http://i.imgur.com/G0Rz5WG.jpg) **How can Whales throw Minnows a bone and at the same time strengthen their investment?** *There has been some discussion in recent days on upvoting your own comments. This analysis is a discussion on upvoting your own posts rather than comments.* --- #### Minnows For the majority of Steemians upvoting your own post is a good idea, it means you get a share of the curation rewards that are generated by votes on your post. So instead of getting 75% of the payout value you get more than 75%. *Probably not a lot more but it depends on who votes for you.* https://steemitimages.com/600x600/http://i.imgur.com/ioofXSV.jpg #### Whales For Whales on the other hand upvoting your own post makes little economic sense. **Don't think value of post, think value of investment!** https://steemitimages.com/600x600//http://i.imgur.com/R0bqZOa.jpg When a Whale upvotes his/her own post a few things happen. * The Dollar value of the post increases. *1m Dollars of Steem Power gives about 400 Dollars from an upvote at time of writing.* * The post may make it to the trending page attracting other votes and more money. *You **"win"** twice because you get both Author and Curation Rewards.* * The Author/Whale gets a bigger share of the posts curation rewards then if they had voted later. *They get a bigger slice than just the 75% author payout.* --- ### Posting is not all about money Without considering the Economics of the decision to upvote your own post the most direct negative effect is you get little feedback as to what is a good post and a bad post. All Whale posts with a self upvote will earn $$$$. https://steemitimages.com/600x600//http://i.imgur.com/Ji8dRHX.jpg I am not a Whale but I have noticed this since the HF19 with my own posts. I upvote my own post then I use @randowhale to upvote more. Sure I am getting great payouts but little feedback on what works and what doesn't. --- ### What if you didn't upvote your post at the start and let it grow organically at first and upvote later? https://steemitimages.com/600x600//http://i.imgur.com/SrzPQ86.jpg The most obvious thing is that Minnows will be more likely to upvote you. They would get a share of the curation from the $400 upvote you add later. It won't affect your payout materially but it could be a big deal for them. *You might even consider not voting for your post and letting the reward pool for the day/week be shared among other authors for the good of the system.* --- ## The Game https://steemitimages.com/600x600//http://i.imgur.com/Rv4Jq2f.jpg Before getting to the Economics of voting lets have a recap of an old post where @dan described the Game as he saw it, which I believe is still valid. >Curation is a game for whales and dolphins. Minnows are unlikely to earn any significant return on their votes. Minnows should stick to posting and commenting. --- ## The Economics Having considered some of the pros and cons of not self upvoting lets have a more detailed look at the economics from a Whales perspective. We will consider first "The Game" where a Whale is competing with Minnows for rewarding his own post and secondly the situation where the Whale is competing with other Whales for rewarding his own post. The following analysis is based on the post HF19 view of rewards and how they are shared among curators with the following assumptions: * Ignoring the Penalty for the first 30 minutes * Only considering a simplistic scenario where there are 4 votes * Ignoring Voting Power * Assumes a Whale with a $1m investment gives $400 per per upvote ### Whales vs Minnows If the Whale is only competing with minnows for votes it doesn't matter when he/she votes. The effect on the whales payout is only marginal if he votes first or last, but there is a large impact on the minnows. * If the Whale votes first the Minnows get nothing * If the Whale votes later the Minnows get something meaningful 8 cents to a minnow can be a huge deal. Its nothing to a whale. On top of that Minnows can curate much more than a Whale can so if they were earning cents on lots of posts it would be significant for them and will improve the diversity and quality of the content on Steemit. #### A Simple Voting Model Payouts where the Whale doesn't upvote his post first, i.e. the Whale still upvotes but after the Minnows | | Voter 1 | Voter 2 | Voter 3 | Voter 4 | |----------------------------|---------|---------|---------|---------| | Vote Value | 0.10 | 0.10 | 0.50 | 401.00 | | Curation from Vote | 0.03 | 0.03 | 0.13 | 100.25 | | Curation Allocation Vote 1 | 0.03 | 0.01 | 0.09 | 100.08 | | Curation Allocation Vote 2 | 0.01 | 0.02 | 0.12 | | | Curation Allocation Vote 3 | 0.02 | 0.02 | | | | Curation Allocation Vote 4 | 0.02 | | | | | Total Curation Per Voter | 0.08 | 0.06 | 0.21 | 100.08 | | | | | | | | **Author Payout** | | 401.70 | | | | **Author Total Payout** | | 501.78 | | | ### What if the Whale had voted first? | | Voter 1 | Voter 2 | Voter 3 | Voter 4 | |------------------------------|---------|---------|---------|---------| | Vote Value | 401.00 | 0.10 | 0.10 | 0.50 | | Curation from Vote | 100.25 | 0.03 | 0.03 | 0.13 | | Curation Allocation Vote 1 | 100.25 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | | Curation Allocation Vote 2 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | | | Curation Allocation Vote 3 | 0.00 | 0.00 | | | | Curation Allocation Vote 4 | 0.00 | | | | | Total Curation Per Voter | 100.25 | 0.00 | 0.00 | 0.00 | | | | | | | | **Author Payout** | | 401.70 | | | | **Author Total Payout** | | 501.95 | | | | | | | | | | **Benefit for Voting First** | | 0.17 | | | ### Whales vs Whales Now lets consider a slightly different scenario. In this second scenario we will see the payments are skewed a bit for the Whale. He loses out by not upvoting his own post first, but only 5% on the overall payout of the post. Payouts where the Whale doesn't upvote his post first, i.e. the Whale still upvotes but after the other Whales | | Voter 1 | Voter 2 | Voter 3 | Voter 4 | |----------------------------|---------|----------|---------|---------| | Vote Value | 400.00 | 400.00 | 400.00 | 401.00 | | Curation from Vote | 100.00 | 100.00 | 100.00 | 100.25 | | Curation Allocation Vote 1 | 100.00 | 50.00 | 33.33 | 25.11 | | Curation Allocation Vote 2 | 0.01 | 0.01 | 0.03 | | | Curation Allocation Vote 3 | 0.01 | 0.01 | | | | Curation Allocation Vote 4 | 0.01 | | | | | Total Curation Per Voter | 100.03 | 50.01 | 33.36 | 25.11 | | | | | | | | **Author Payout** | | 1,601.00 | | | | **Author Total Payout** | | 1,626.11 | | | ### What if the Whale had voted first? | | Voter 1 | Voter 2 | Voter 3 | Voter 4 | |------------------------------|---------|----------|---------|---------| | Vote Value | 401.00 | 400.00 | 400.00 | 400.00 | | Curation from Vote | 100.25 | 100.00 | 100.00 | 100.00 | | Curation Allocation Vote 1 | 100.25 | 49.94 | 33.31 | 24.98 | | Curation Allocation Vote 2 | 0.01 | 0.01 | 0.03 | | | Curation Allocation Vote 3 | 0.01 | 0.01 | | | | Curation Allocation Vote 4 | 0.01 | | | | | Total Curation Per Voter | 100.28 | 49.95 | 33.34 | 24.98 | | | | | | | | **Author Payout** | | 1,601.00 | | | | **Author Total Payout** | | 1,701.28 | | | | | | | | | | **Benefit for Voting First** | | 75.17 | | | **In reality would Whales be competing with Minnows or Whales?** If Whales just voted for each other Steemit wouldn't last very long. The Economic Value of the platform would quickly evaporate and Steemit would become little more than a Ponzy Scheme. ## Conclusion So the battle between Whales for curation rewards on their posts is really just a battle against the Minnows. In that case it doesn't matter Economically to the Whale if they upvote their own post initially or wait for a period to let other people get some curation rewards. **The Whale may even choose not to upvote it at all if they are really savvy investors.** The only "adverse" implication for the Whale is they will have less chance of making it to the trending page but that means that other content will organically make it to their instead. It also would lead to a diversification of content and authors on the platform. In Economic terms this is a much better use of a Whales capital than self upvoting their own post. Remember the Whale I am talking about has 1m Dollars invested in Steemit. If the price of Steem goes up by 1 cent this guy makes about 5,000 dollars. *I have not provided analysis of the effect of Whale Bots. In the short term these could earn significant curation rewards however again I would propose this would not make much sense Economically. They would just be draining the platform of value and reducing the value of their overall investment.* --- ## References Reading old posts can be confusing because often things have changed here on Steemit. We just had HF19! but the following list of references are invaluable to understand how the rewards are intended to work. * https://steemit.com/steem/@dantheman/steem-whales-voting-perspective * https://steemit.com/steem/@dantheman/curation-rewards-and-voting-incentive * https://steemit.com/steem-help/@biophil/the-ultimate-guide-to-voting-power-with-cartoons-formulas-and-code-references * https://steemit.com/steem/@tuck-fheman/how-is-voting-power-determined-in-steem --- **Thank you for reading this. 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