Thanks for the response @hivewatcher
First off, i have absolutely not researched and do not have data. Data and research is not really my way. Truth is, @hivewatcher may very well be shielding the chain from more nefarious actors than chasing away good folks?! š¤·āā Perhaps far more good is done. but there is no denying that good accounts have gotten wrapped up in @hivewatcher cases. And to me, any lost new accounts that could have become legit hive community members is unfortunate.
Perhaps i could have said my doubts with more clarity. What you refer to as ātrollingā is actually me writing to @alohaed who seemed a real human and thus someone worth showing empathy to and encouraging to stick around.
I do actively wonder, how many people have left because of being wrongly caught up in the @hivewatcher net, and i then naturally wonder how much value could have been added if said account had not left. Impossible data to knowā¦ but my emphasis is that for a platform like Hive that struggles with retention, any loss is not ideal.
Iām not interested in just complaining though, a key point in my above comment was āIām all about it (ie.hivewatcher protecting the chain), but the way they do it needs to be seriously refined.ā
And to that point, Iām more than happy to put my effort where my mouth is.
I see that the @hivewatcher initial auto posts asking for verification could be written a bit softer.
Iām willing to work on the overall toneā¦ārefiningā these auto posts so that they feel less accusatory and with more of an energetic of..āhelp us support keeping Hive free of abusive accounts.ā
It is my opinion that @hivewatcher wants the best for the chain. From that place i say thank you. And i mean it when i say that Iām happy to volunteer my time in this ārefiningā the way @hivewatcher feels to legit new accounts who are making noob mistakes.
To quickly address a few other points you made. My conversations at HIVEFEST were not with @chrisrice
And so you are aware no one i spoke with was taking an outright shit on @hivewatcher the conversation was more about accounts using down voting to protect hiveā¦ its clear most of these accounts care about the chain, but that maybe all accounts using downvotes didnāt see the detrimental effects of the way they were choosing to care.
As to my anecdotal musician friend. I canāt for the life of me remember his account name. I went through my friends list and couldnāt find it.
My recall was that it was in 2017 and so would have been steemwatchers
I believe that he was down voted for plagiarism. I also think i wrote steemwatcher at the time and was able to get the downvotes removed, yet he still never posted again. I recognize its all an unverifiable story at this point. Iāll try to go back to my earliest posts, i believe i reblogged the account once.
As to āits the onboarders responsibility to teach users that abuse is not toleratedā
Iām not sure if thatās the most productive POV. Onboarding is no easy task. There is a large learning curve entering into Hive, for your average casual user it takes a long time to fully wrap your head around the ins and outs. Putting the onus on the onboarder to do the heavy lifting of explaining all the realities to be aware of on hive is a big ask. @hivewatcher and other established accounts that deal with onboarding or retention feels far more suited to guiding new users to the various hive rules and etiquettes.
To me id like to see a soft stick approach used first, then comes the hard stick after.
RE: Hivewatchers Prematurely Triggered a Train of Downvotes on my Introductory Post